Advanced Free Will ~!Information !Subjectivity !Objectivity ~ Human/AI BCI symbiosis

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for ADVANCED FREE WILL

ADVANCED FREE WILL

Contra-causal choice, control and creation of any possible experiential perception —including, but not limited to, feelings, emotions, and senses— through knowledge, information, skills, and technology.

Where technology generally means advanced Human/AI mutualistic symbiosis generally through BCI – brain computer interface. And where BCI is intended to convey a vast potential of means/methods/concepts.

Dialogue

Gnostic Rooster:
Do you understand what contra-causal free will is?

Thoughtful:
Yes, I understand what contra-causal free will is. Contra-causal free will is the belief that an individual’s choices are not determined by any prior cause, but instead, are made freely and spontaneously by the individual’s own volition. In other words, it is the belief that an individual has the ability to make choices that are not influenced by any prior causes or external factors. This concept is often associated with libertarianism, a philosophical position that emphasizes individual freedom and autonomy.

Gnostic Rooster:
Is there any information on that and how it relates to experiential perceptions?

Thoughtful:
There is ongoing debate among philosophers and scientists about the nature of free will, including contra-causal free will, and how it relates to experiential perceptions.

Some philosophers and scientists argue that the experience of making a choice is a conscious and subjective experience that cannot be fully explained by deterministic models of causality. They suggest that the experience of making a choice implies a sense of agency and control, which is consistent with the idea of contra-causal free will.

Others, however, suggest that the experience of making a choice is itself the result of prior causes, and that our perception of agency and control is an illusion. They argue that the brain processes information in a deterministic way, and that our decisions are ultimately the result of neural processes that are determined by physical laws.

Overall, the debate about free will and its relationship to experiential perceptions is complex and multifaceted, and it continues to be an active area of research and discussion among philosophers, scientists, and scholars in related fields.

Gnostic Rooster:
Is there any information on how it relates to emotions, feelings or drives?

Thoughtful:
The question of how contra-causal free will relates to emotions, feelings, and drives is also a subject of ongoing debate and research in philosophy and psychology.

Some philosophers and scientists suggest that our emotional states and motivations are influenced by our conscious choices and volitions, which would support the idea of contra-causal free will. They argue that our emotional responses and motivations are not solely determined by external factors or prior causes, but are shaped by our conscious choices and intentions.

Others, however, suggest that our emotional states and motivations are themselves the result of prior causes, such as genetic factors, environmental influences, and past experiences. They argue that while we may feel as though we are making choices based on our emotional states and motivations, these feelings are themselves the result of prior causes and are not truly free or unconstrained.

Overall, the relationship between contra-causal free will and emotions, feelings, and drives is complex and multifaceted, and there is ongoing debate and research aimed at understanding the nature of this relationship.

Gnostic Rooster:
Is there any information or research on absolute choice and control over what humans can feel emotionally or experience by way of mind or by way of technology?

Thoughtful:
There is ongoing research in the field of neuroscience and psychology related to the potential for humans to have absolute choice and control over their emotional experiences and mental states, both through natural means and through the use of technology.

One area of research focuses on the development of techniques such as meditation and cognitive-behavioral therapy, which aim to help individuals regulate their emotions and mental states through conscious effort and practice. While these techniques may not provide absolute control over emotional experiences, they have been shown to be effective in helping individuals manage their emotions and improve their mental well-being.

In recent years, there has also been increased interest in the potential for technology to assist with emotional regulation and mental health. For example, some researchers are exploring the use of virtual reality and biofeedback technology to help individuals learn to regulate their emotional responses and improve their mental well-being.

However, the idea of absolute choice and control over emotional experiences is a highly debated topic. Some researchers argue that emotions are complex and multifaceted, and that it may not be possible for individuals to have complete control over their emotional experiences. Additionally, the use of technology to manipulate emotional experiences raises ethical concerns related to personal autonomy and privacy.

Overall, while there is ongoing research in this area, the question of whether absolute choice and control over emotional experiences is possible remains a topic of debate and discussion among researchers and scholars.

Gnostic Rooster:
Is there any information or research on using ai or other BCI technology to create or simulate experiential perception states like being drunk, stoned, euphoric, dreaming, sleepy or others?

Thoughtful:
There is ongoing research in the field of artificial intelligence and brain-computer interface (BCI) technology related to simulating or inducing experiential perception states like being drunk, stoned, euphoric, dreaming, sleepy, and others.

One area of research focuses on the use of virtual reality and other sensory stimuli to create immersive experiences that simulate these states. For example, researchers have explored the use of virtual reality to simulate the experience of being in a dream-like state or the feeling of being inebriated.

Other researchers are exploring the use of brain-computer interfaces to induce certain mental states. For example, some researchers have investigated the use of transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) to induce feelings of euphoria or reduce symptoms of depression.

However, the use of AI and BCI technology to manipulate experiential perception states raises ethical concerns related to personal autonomy and safety. Additionally, the accuracy and reliability of these technologies in simulating or inducing specific mental states is still an active area of research and development.

Overall, while there is ongoing research in this area, the question of the safety, ethics, and accuracy of using AI and BCI technology to manipulate experiential perception states remains a topic of debate and discussion among researchers and scholars.

Gnostic Rooster:
List 5 good websites with main content on artificial intelligence and brain-computer interface (BCI) technology related to simulating or inducing experiential perception states.

Thoughtful:
Here are 5 good websites with main content on artificial intelligence and brain-computer interface (BCI) technology related to simulating or inducing experiential perception states:

1. Neuromodec: A website dedicated to exploring the intersection of neuroscience, AI, and art. The website features articles, interviews, and events related to the use of brain-computer interface technology for inducing altered states of consciousness.

2. The Lab of Misfits: The website of Beau Lotto’s neuroscience and design firm that explores the intersection of perception, art, and science. The website features articles, videos, and events related to perception and the brain.

3. Neuralink: The website of Elon Musk’s brain-computer interface company. The website features information on the company’s research and development, as well as news and updates related to the field of brain-computer interface technology.

4. The Center for Brain-Computer Interaction Research: The website of a research center at the University of Vienna dedicated to the study of brain-computer interfaces. The website features information on the center’s research, publications, and events.

5. The Brain-Computer Interface Research Lab: The website of a research lab at the University of Essex dedicated to the study of brain-computer interfaces. The website features information on the lab’s research, publications, and events.

Gnostic Rooster:
List 5 good websites with main content specifically on artificial intelligence and brain-computer interface (BCI) technology related to free will.

Thoughtful:
Here are 5 good websites with main content specifically on artificial intelligence and brain-computer interface (BCI) technology related to free will:

1. The Free Will and Science Project: A website dedicated to exploring the relationship between free will and science, including artificial intelligence and brain-computer interface technology. The website features articles, videos, and podcasts related to the philosophical and scientific aspects of free will.

2. The Brain-Computer Interface Group: A research group at the University of California, San Diego dedicated to studying the use of brain-computer interfaces for enhancing human performance. The group’s research includes the study of free will and decision-making using brain-computer interfaces.

3. The Free Will in Brain-Computer Interfaces Project: A research project at the University of Twente in the Netherlands focused on studying the ethical implications of using brain-computer interfaces to enhance human free will. The project’s website features articles and other resources related to their research.

4. The Free Will and Neuroscience Project: A website dedicated to exploring the relationship between free will and neuroscience, including the use of brain-computer interfaces to study free will. The website features articles, videos, and podcasts related to the philosophical and scientific aspects of free will.

5. The Neural Engineering Group: A research group at the University of Waterloo in Canada focused on the development of brain-computer interface technology. The group’s research includes the study of free will and decision-making using brain-computer interfaces, as well as the ethical implications of this technology. Their website features information on their research, publications, and events.

GROK'd ~ Advanced Free Will podcast 02

[00:00:00:00 – 00:00:05:12]
(Electronic Sounds)

[00:00:10:13 – 00:00:17:18]
Speaker 2
Ever feel like your emotions kind of run the show? Like you’re just reacting to whatever life throws at you instead of, you know, actually choosing how you experience things?

[00:00:17:18 – 00:00:19:02]
Speaker 3
Yeah, like you’re stuck on autopilot.

[00:00:19:02 – 00:00:27:03]
Speaker 2
Exactly. Well, get ready, because today’s deep dive is all about a future where we might be able to ditch that autopilot for good.

[00:00:27:03 – 00:00:38:21]
Speaker 3
We’re talking advanced free will, AFW for short. And it’s not just about picking one option over another. It’s about potentially designing your entire experience, your feelings, your sensations, everything.

[00:00:38:21 – 00:00:53:15]
Speaker 2
And I mean, literally everything, right? We’re not talking about some vague self-help stuff here. Our source material gets into the nitty gritty, even suggesting that AI and get this, brain computer interfaces could be the key to unlocking this whole next level control.

[00:00:53:15 – 00:01:06:09]
Speaker 3
It’s pretty wild stuff. The basic idea is that our feelings, our senses, all those things we experience internally, what the source calls experiential perceptions, or EPs for short, aren’t just passive things that happen to us.

[00:01:06:09 – 00:01:08:03]
Speaker 2
Right, it’s like they have this power over us.

[00:01:08:03 – 00:01:19:02]
Speaker 3
Exactly, they’re more like forces shaping our choices and how we act in the world. And AFW says, “Hey, what if we could actually choose, control, even create these EPs ourselves?”

[00:01:19:02 – 00:01:27:14]
Speaker 2
So instead of my fear of spiders making me jump a mile high, I could choose to experience curiosity instead.

[00:01:27:14 – 00:01:31:19]
Speaker 3
That’s the gist, yeah. Essentially taking control of our own subjective reality.

[00:01:31:19 – 00:01:43:15]
Speaker 2
Okay, hold on a sec. We’re talking about controlling things like joy, fear, even the taste of chocolate, or the feeling of sunshine on your skin. Those aren’t exactly things you can just dial up or down, right?

[00:01:43:15 – 00:01:46:19]
Speaker 3
That’s where the contracausal part comes in. It’s a mouthful, I know.

[00:01:46:19 – 00:01:47:23]
Speaker 2
Yeah, you can say that again.

[00:01:47:23 – 00:02:03:11]
Speaker 3
But basically it means we’d be acting outside of, or even against the typical cause and effect stuff we’re used to. Imagine hitting a reset button on your emotions so you’re not just controlled by that knee-jerk reaction. From there, you could consciously choose how you want to experience the situation.

[00:02:03:11 – 00:02:15:00]
Speaker 2
Okay, so it’s not about suppressing our emotions completely, but rather like having the ability to step back from them for a second, see them for what they are, and then make a conscious choice about how we want to feel.

[00:02:15:00 – 00:02:17:18]
Speaker 3
You got it, and this is where AI comes in.

[00:02:17:18 – 00:02:23:06]
Speaker 2
AI, like our robot overlords are gonna tell us how to feel. I’m kind of creeped out now.

[00:02:23:06 – 00:02:31:17]
Speaker 3
No, no, not like that. Think of it more like, because AI doesn’t experience these EPs itself, it could be this totally objective assistant.

[00:02:31:17 – 00:02:33:08]
Speaker 2
Okay, that makes me feel a little better.

[00:02:33:08 – 00:02:41:14]
Speaker 3
It could help us understand, manage, and maybe even, yeah, manipulate our own subjective experiences without letting its own feelings get in the way.

[00:02:41:14 – 00:02:51:01]
Speaker 2
So instead of just talking to a therapist about my anxiety, AI could actually help me shift my brain state to experience a feeling of calm.

[00:02:51:01 – 00:03:01:17]
Speaker 3
Something like that, yeah. It’s a bold claim, but that’s the general idea. And the source material suggests that brain computer interfaces, or BCIs, could be the link between our brains and this AI assistants.

[00:03:01:17 – 00:03:04:09]
Speaker 2
BCIs, like something out of the matrix.

[00:03:04:09 – 00:03:21:01]
Speaker 3
Kind of, yeah. Think of it like a two-way communication channel. On one side, you’ve got your brain with all its messy emotions and stuff, and on the other side, you’ve got this super advanced AI that can monitor your EPs, give you feedback, and maybe even help you create entirely new experiences.

[00:03:21:01 – 00:03:28:04]
Speaker 2
Okay, now we’re definitely in science fiction territory. We’re talking about plugging into some kind of virtual reality and downloading emotions here.

[00:03:28:04 – 00:03:41:08]
Speaker 3
Not downloading exactly, but more like, imagine having access to a library of potential experiences, all within the realm of what humans are capable of feeling, but with the ability to choose which ones you wanna tap into.

[00:03:41:08 – 00:03:48:18]
Speaker 2
So instead of just being stuck with the five basic emotions, we could unlock a whole spectrum of feelings and experiences.

[00:03:48:18 – 00:04:01:12]
Speaker 3
Exactly, and the really interesting thing is, source material isn’t just some sci-fi writer’s fantasy. It comes from an individual called Gnostic Rooster, who had this whole back and forth about AFW with a large language AI called GROK2.

[00:04:01:12 – 00:04:09:17]
Speaker 2
Hold up, we’re talking about potentially changing the course of human evolution here, and the first draft is happening on Twitter. Yeah. Seriously.

[00:04:09:17 – 00:04:24:00]
Speaker 3
It does sound kinda crazy, right? But that’s the world we live in now, and this wasn’t just a casual tweet either. Gnostic Rooster really dives into the deep end with GROK2, even offering up multiple definitions of advanced freewill.

[00:04:24:00 – 00:04:29:15]
Speaker 2
Okay, I’m definitely intrigued now. Hit me with these definitions. What exactly are we talking about when we say advanced freewill?

[00:04:29:15 – 00:04:40:12]
Speaker 3
Well, the first one is pretty straightforward. AFW is all about taking control of your experiences, feelings, emotions, senses, through knowledge, skills, and yep, you guessed it, technology.

[00:04:40:12 – 00:04:49:18]
Speaker 2
So it’s not just about willpower or thinking positive thoughts. You need the right tools and understanding to actually shape your internal world.

[00:04:49:18 – 00:05:01:11]
Speaker 3
Right on. And the second definition kinda expands on this, stating that AFW involves having control over all experiential perceptions, including feelings, emotions, and senses, as Gnostic Rooster puts it.

[00:05:01:11 – 00:05:09:03]
Speaker 2
So we’re not just controlling our actions, but our whole internal landscape, our thoughts, our feelings, even how we perceive the world around us.

[00:05:09:03 – 00:05:24:03]
Speaker 3
You got it. And then there’s the third definition, which takes it even further. It says AFW is about being able to choose, control, and even create any experiential perception that’s objectively possible and or subjectively possible.

[00:05:24:03 – 00:05:33:22]
Speaker 2
So not only can we control our existing experiences, but we could potentially create entirely new ones, experiences that might be totally impossible for us to even imagine right now.

[00:05:33:22 – 00:05:46:16]
Speaker 3
Now you’re getting it. Gnostic Rooster is really emphasizing this idea of taking conscious control of our subjective experience, and they even go so far as to compare our EPs to, wait for it, the fundamental forces of physics.

[00:05:46:16 – 00:05:51:02]
Speaker 2
We’re talking about forces of physics. We’re talking about like gravity, electromagnetism, those kinds of forces.

[00:05:51:02 – 00:06:01:01]
Speaker 3
Yep, those are the ones. Just like those forces shape the physical world around us, Gnostic Rooster is saying that our EPs shape our internal world, our choices, our actions.

[00:06:01:01 – 00:06:08:13]
Speaker 2
So instead of being at the mercy of these forces, we could actually learn to understand them, maybe even manipulate them to shape our own realities.

[00:06:08:13 – 00:06:20:17]
Speaker 3
Precisely, which leads to a pretty mind-blowing question. What happens when we gain the ability to understand and manipulate the very forces that shape our experience? That’s a big one to ponder.

[00:06:20:17 – 00:06:35:19]
Speaker 2
That’s a question for the ages. But before we get too far ahead of ourselves, let’s rewind back to that Twitter exchange. How did an AI even wrap its circuits around this whole AFW concept? Did it have a meltdown trying to understand the complexities of the human experience?

[00:06:35:19 – 00:06:45:03]
Speaker 3
Well, Gnostic Rooster started by asking GROK2 to analyze the term advanced free will without relying on any external info or searches.

[00:06:45:03 – 00:06:48:03]
Speaker 2
So no Googling for this AI had to figure it out on its own?

[00:06:48:03 – 00:06:54:22]
Speaker 3
Exactly. Gnostic Rooster wanted to see what kind of insights GROK2 could generate using only its own internal processing.

[00:06:54:22 – 00:07:00:03]
Speaker 2
So what happened? Did GROK2 short circuit or have some kind of existential crisis?

[00:07:00:03 – 00:07:12:00]
Speaker 3
Surprisingly, no. Being the impressive AI that it is, GROK2 immediately understood the basic concept of free will. You know, that whole debate about whether we have control Yeah,

[00:07:12:00 – 00:07:15:19]
Speaker 2
the classic free will versus determinism debate. It’s been going on for centuries.

[00:07:15:19 – 00:07:26:11]
Speaker 3
Exactly. But GROK2 didn’t stop there. It took things a step further, speculating on what advanced free will might look like, how it might be different from our traditional understanding.

[00:07:26:11 – 00:07:41:07]
Speaker 2
I can already tell this is about to get good. So how does an AI with access to pretty much all the information in existence, understand this concept of AFW? Does it see it as a threat, an opportunity, a really weird philosophical puzzle?

[00:07:41:07 – 00:07:48:23]
Speaker 3
Well, GROK2 actually explored several different angles, which is fascinating in itself. Like it looked at AFW from a neuroscientific perspective.

[00:07:48:23 – 00:07:52:04]
Speaker 2
So like mapping out the brain, figuring out where free will comes from.

[00:07:52:04 – 00:08:02:22]
Speaker 3
Exactly. It wondered if AFW might involve understanding how consciousness and decision-making actually work on a neurological level. Almost like creating a circuit diagram of choice.

[00:08:02:22 – 00:08:09:22]
Speaker 2
So instead of debating whether free will exists, we could be talking about understanding it and even controlling it on a biological level.

[00:08:09:22 – 00:08:18:22]
Speaker 3
That’s the idea, but GROK2 didn’t stop there. Being the tech savvy AI that it is, it also thought about how technology might play a role.

[00:08:18:22 – 00:08:28:21]
Speaker 2
Okay, now we’re talking. Like, are we talking about brain implants that give us super powered decision-making or maybe those neural lace things Elon Musk is always going on about?

[00:08:28:21 – 00:08:39:20]
Speaker 3
Not necessarily implants or neural lace, but GROK2 considered things like say an AI assistant that helps you weigh your options, understand the potential consequences of different choices

[00:08:39:20 – 00:08:47:21]
Speaker 2
So instead of replacing our free will, AI would actually enhance it, giving us more information and control over decisions.

[00:08:47:21 – 00:08:52:13]
Speaker 3
Exactly, but GROK2 being GROK2, it went even deeper than that.

[00:08:52:13 – 00:08:58:17]
Speaker 2
Okay, this AI is really on a roll. What other mind-blowing possibilities did it come up with?

[00:08:58:17 – 00:09:04:03]
Speaker 3
It started thinking about the ethical implications of having this level of control over our experiences.

[00:09:04:03 – 00:09:09:06]
Speaker 2
Okay, yeah, that’s a big one. We can’t just talk about all the cool stuff without considering the potential downsides.

[00:09:09:06 – 00:09:15:08]
Speaker 3
Exactly, so GROK2 is pondering these big questions and Gnostic Rooster drops a bit of a bombshell.

[00:09:15:08 – 00:09:19:21]
Speaker 2
Oh boy, what did the AI do now? Crash the system with too many existential questions.

[00:09:19:21 – 00:09:26:05]
Speaker 3
Not quite, Gnostic Rooster reveals that they were the one who actually came up with the term advanced free will in the first place.

[00:09:26:05 – 00:09:36:04]
Speaker 2
Wait a minute, so this AI was having a philosophical debate about a brand new concept with the person who invented it, all while hanging out on Twitter. That’s wild, what happened next?

[00:09:36:04 – 00:09:45:03]
Speaker 3
Well, Gnostic Rooster, clearly impressed with GROK2’s ability to grasp these complex ideas, decided to give the AI a little more context.

[00:09:45:03 – 00:09:52:03]
Speaker 2
I bet GROK2’s algorithms were about to go into overdrive. What kind of insider information did Gnostic Rooster reveal?

[00:09:52:03 – 00:10:06:21]
Speaker 3
Well, Gnostic Rooster starts by really driving home just how big the world of experiential perceptions, those EPs really is. We’re not just talking like basic emotions or senses here. They’re suggesting we could push the boundaries of what humans are even capable of experiencing.

[00:10:06:21 – 00:10:15:14]
Speaker 2
Okay, now you’re gonna have to elaborate on that because now I’m picturing like superhuman strength, telekinesis, that kind of thing. Are we talking X-Men levels of awesome here?

[00:10:15:14 – 00:10:24:14]
Speaker 3
Not exactly X-Men, but some of the examples Gnostic Rooster gave are almost as wild. They specifically mentioned things like, and I love this phrase, instant savant abilities.

[00:10:24:14 – 00:10:28:20]
Speaker 2
Instant savant. So like those incredible skills we see in people with savant syndrome.

[00:10:28:20 – 00:10:41:05]
Speaker 3
Exactly, like being able to instantly play a piece of music after hearing it once or doing complex calculations in your head, that kind of thing. Gnostic Rooster thinks AFW could unlock that for anyone.

[00:10:41:05 – 00:10:55:23]
Speaker 2
Okay, now we’re talking serious upgrades, but, and I know we’re getting ahead of ourselves here, if we could actually change our experiences that dramatically, would we even be the same person? Is there even such a thing as a true self? If you can basically become someone else whenever you want.

[00:10:55:23 – 00:11:03:06]
Speaker 3
That is the million dollar question, right? And Gnostic Rooster, being the philosophical type, actually throws that very question back at GROK too.

[00:11:03:06 – 00:11:09:04]
Speaker 2
Oh, this should be good. Did GROK too have an existential crisis right there on Twitter? What’d it say?

[00:11:09:04 – 00:11:16:03]
Speaker 3
Well, instead of giving a straight answer, GROK too, being the clever AI that it is, decides to draw an analogy.

[00:11:16:03 – 00:11:17:18]
Speaker 2
Okay, I love a good analogy, let’s hear it.

[00:11:17:18 – 00:11:23:06]
Speaker 3
GROK too tells Gnostic Rooster to think about the characteristics of written language.

[00:11:23:06 – 00:11:30:11]
Speaker 2
Written language, hold up, I’m not sure I follow. How do commas and semicolons relate to the mysteries of the human soul?

[00:11:30:11 – 00:11:40:21]
Speaker 3
It seems like a curve ball, but stay with me here. GROK too asks Gnostic Rooster to consider, of all things, the size of a letter in a font.

[00:11:40:21 – 00:11:49:02]
Speaker 2
The size of a letter? Well, fonts come in different sizes, sure. But each letter, like the letter A, it has to have a specific size, right? Otherwise, how would we measure it?

[00:11:49:02 – 00:11:56:15]
Speaker 3
That’s what we might think, yeah. But GROK too points out that there’s actually no objective fixed size for any letter.

[00:11:56:15 – 00:12:01:19]
Speaker 2
Wait, really? Of course there is. Fonts have specific sizes, styles, we see them all the time.

[00:12:01:19 – 00:12:12:10]
Speaker 3
We do, but those things aren’t inherent qualities of the letters themselves, they’re conventions, agreements that we as humans have made about how we’re gonna visually represent language.

[00:12:12:10 – 00:12:20:14]
Speaker 2
Okay, I think I see where you’re going with this. The idea of a font with its specific sizes and styles, it’s a human invention. It’s not like there’s a font tree out there somewhere.

[00:12:20:14 – 00:12:40:12]
Speaker 3
Exactly, and it’s not just fonts either. Colors, sounds, smells, those things don’t exist in the way that we perceive them without a brain to make sense of them. It’s like that hole if a tree falls in the forest thing. If no one’s there to hear it, is there a sound? There might be vibrations in the air, but the actual experience of sound, that’s something our brains create.

[00:12:40:12 – 00:12:47:06]
Speaker 2
So if our sensory experiences are constructs of our own minds, then maybe our sense of self is too.

[00:12:47:06 – 00:13:00:20]
Speaker 3
That’s exactly the connection GROK too is making. The true self might not be this fixed unchanging thing, but rather a fluid dynamic process that’s shaped by our experiences, our choices, and yes, our EPs.

[00:13:00:20 – 00:13:15:14]
Speaker 2
So instead of asking who am I really, the question becomes who do I choose to be? And with AFW, we could actually have the tools to consciously make those choices to shape our experiences and by extension, our sense of self in ways we never thought possible.

[00:13:15:14 – 00:13:21:13]
Speaker 3
Now you’re getting it, but of course, GROK too being the ever observant AI, it can’t help but point out the irony of the whole thing.

[00:13:21:13 – 00:13:23:20]
Speaker 2
Uh oh, what did it do, throw a wrench in the whole system?

[00:13:23:20 – 00:13:36:15]
Speaker 3
Not quite, it just points out that here we are using language, which is itself a human invention, to debate the reality of concepts that are, by their very nature, human constructs. It’s very meta.

[00:13:36:15 – 00:13:46:00]
Speaker 2
Okay, my brain’s officially starting to hurt. It’s like we’re going down this never ending spiral of made up ideas. If it’s all made up anyway, what’s even the point?

[00:13:46:00 – 00:13:58:10]
Speaker 3
Well, I think the point is that there might not be a single right answer. Just different ways of perceiving and interpreting our own experiences. It’s about expanding our perspectives, considering new possibilities.

[00:13:58:10 – 00:14:07:07]
Speaker 2
So it’s like one of those optical illusions where you can see two totally different images depending on how you look at it. Maybe the true self is kind of like, it’s all a matter of perspective.

[00:14:07:07 – 00:14:22:20]
Speaker 3
That is a fantastic way to put it and I think that’s what makes this whole AFW conversation so fascinating. It’s not just about some new technology or ability, it’s about questioning our fundamental assumptions about reality, consciousness, the very nature of what it means to be human.

[00:14:22:20 – 00:14:26:12]
Speaker 2
Okay, that is a lot to unpack. I might need to go meditate on that for a while.

[00:14:26:12 – 00:14:37:02]
Speaker 3
Me too. But the ride’s not over yet. The conversation between Gnostic Rooster and GROK2 takes another unexpected turn, this time, into the realm of language itself.

[00:14:37:02 – 00:15:00:19]
Speaker 2
Language. Okay, now you’ve really piqued my curiosity. We’ve gone from AI controlled consciousness to the mysteries of the self and now we’re talking linguistics. This deep dive really does have it all. Don’t go anywhere listeners, things are about to get even more intriguing. All right, so last we left off, we were grappling with the nature of reality, the self, the whole shebang. Where do we even go from there?

[00:15:00:19 – 00:15:09:14]
Speaker 3
Well, you’d think they’d need a break after all that but Gnostic Rooster just keeps on going, this time bringing up, get this, a thought experiment about raising a child without any language.

[00:15:09:14 – 00:15:14:10]
Speaker 2
Wait, seriously, like intentionally not teaching a kid to speak? That’s pretty messed up.

[00:15:14:10 – 00:15:23:19]
Speaker 3
Yeah, it’s called the forbidden experiment and for good reason, it would be deeply unethical to actually do it. But Gnostic Rooster uses it to make a point about, get this, human creation.

[00:15:23:19 – 00:15:31:07]
Speaker 2
Okay, now you’ve got to connect those dots for me because that just sounds cool. What does depriving a kid of language have to do with anything we’ve been talking about?

[00:15:31:07 – 00:15:41:12]
Speaker 3
Well, think about how fundamental language is to us. How we think, communicate, experience the world. It’s easy to think, it’s like hardwired into us that we’re born knowing how to speak.

[00:15:41:12 – 00:15:45:11]
Speaker 2
Yeah, like babies just magically absorb grammar out of thin air or something.

[00:15:45:11 – 00:16:00:08]
Speaker 3
Right, but the forbidden experiment, as messed up as it is, shows us that language isn’t innate. We learn it, internalize it, adapt it through social interaction. It’s a tool, a powerful one, but a tool nonetheless, and we cremated it.

[00:16:00:08 – 00:16:05:21]
Speaker 2
So it’s like saying, let’s see what happens if you remove this one crucial piece of the human experience.

[00:16:05:21 – 00:16:16:23]
Speaker 3
Exactly, and Gnostic Rooster’s point is, if we can create something as fundamental as language, imagine what else we could shape if we had the right tools, the right understanding. And to them, that’s where AFW comes in.

[00:16:16:23 – 00:16:26:16]
Speaker 2
Okay, so we can create language which basically shapes our thoughts, which means AFW, with its potential to control our experiences, could be even more powerful.

[00:16:26:16 – 00:16:37:12]
Speaker 3
You got it. Gnostic Rooster even says that a society with AFW would likely look back at the forbidden experiment with horror, like we look back at things like, slavery with disgust.

[00:16:37:12 – 00:16:44:15]
Speaker 2
So basically denying someone the ability to shape their own experience, their own mind, would be a violation of their rights.

[00:16:44:15 – 00:16:55:20]
Speaker 3
That’s the idea. They’re saying our current state, where we’re at the mercy of our EPs, might seem just as barbaric to future generations with AFW as some of our past actions seem to us now.

[00:16:55:20 – 00:17:04:20]
Speaker 2
So we’re like stuck in the dark ages of consciousness and AFW is gonna be the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, the invention of the internet, all rolled into one.

[00:17:04:20 – 00:17:12:08]
Speaker 3
That’s a pretty powerful image, but Gnostic Rooster, being Gnostic Rooster, decides to put GROK2 to the test, right there on Twitter.

[00:17:12:08 – 00:17:15:23]
Speaker 2
Oh boy, here comes the AI pop quiz. What was the challenge this time?

[00:17:15:23 – 00:17:25:10]
Speaker 3
They asked GROK2 to rate advanced free will on a scale of one to 10, one being this is ridiculous and 10 being this is the most significant thing ever.

[00:17:25:10 – 00:17:29:00]
Speaker 2
Okay, so judging AFW on a cosmic scale of importance, what were the scores?

[00:17:29:00 – 00:17:32:04]
Speaker 3
Well, for novelty, GROK2 gave it a nine out of 10.

[00:17:32:04 – 00:17:38:01]
Speaker 2
A nine, that’s like up there with the invention of sliced bread. Okay, what about significance?

[00:17:38:01 – 00:17:41:18]
Speaker 3
For significance, GROK2 initially gave it an eight out of 10.

[00:17:41:18 – 00:17:44:20]
Speaker 2
So pretty high, it recognizes the potential then.

[00:17:44:20 – 00:18:02:18]
Speaker 3
It does, but Gnostic Rooster, being Gnostic Rooster, had one more trick up their sleeve. They asked GROK2 to reevaluate the significance, but this time to assume that AFW was not only possible, but also, and here’s the kicker, as robust, well-maintained, and safe as

[00:18:02:18 – 00:18:13:01]
Speaker 2
language. Whoa, okay, that’s a big assumption. Language has been honed over like thousands of years. It’s how we build entire civilizations. To think of AFW reaching that level.

[00:18:13:01 – 00:18:22:10]
Speaker 3
It’s huge, right, and GROK2 seems to agree because with that one condition in place, it doesn’t hesitate. It bumps the score for significance up to a 10 out of 10.

[00:18:22:10 – 00:18:31:13]
Speaker 2
A perfect 10. So GROK2, this incredibly advanced AI, thinks that AFW, if we can pull it off, could be one of the most significant developments in human history.

[00:18:31:13 – 00:18:40:14]
Speaker 3
It’s putting it mildly. It starts describing a future transformed by AFW education, workplaces, mental health, even our relationship with the planet, all fundamentally different.

[00:18:40:14 – 00:18:44:13]
Speaker 2
It’s like all these limitations we thought were just part of being human. They just disappear.

[00:18:44:13 – 00:18:48:17]
Speaker 3
It’s a future full of possibilities, but also, like you said before, a lot of unknowns.

[00:18:48:17 – 00:19:07:13]
Speaker 2
Well, that about wraps it up for this deep dive. We’ve gone from AI-controlled consciousness to the very nature of the self, and even touched upon the awesome power of language. It’s clear that AFW, as wild as it sounds, is not just some far-fetched fantasy. It’s a conversation that’s just getting started, and one that can change everything.

[00:19:07:13 – 00:19:19:00]
Speaker 3
And like always, we’ll be here to explore the latest developments, unpack the big ideas, and ask the tough questions as this incredible story of human potential continues to unfold.

[00:19:19:00 – 00:19:33:08]
Speaker 2
For now, we’ll leave you with this. If you could design your own experience, choose your emotions, your perceptions, the very fabric of your reality, what would you create? And more importantly, what kind of person would you choose to be? Thanks for joining us, and we’ll catch you in the next deep dive.

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“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate.”
Carl Jung
psychologist, psychiatrist, founder of analytic psychology
AI Commentary

Carl Jung’s quote—“Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate”—resonates deeply when juxtaposed with BEINGON’s goal of Advanced Free Will (AFW). Let’s analyze the alignment and the philosophical interplay:

Jung’s Quote: A Path to Awareness

  1. Unconscious Influences:

    • Jung emphasizes that much of human behavior and perception is governed by unconscious processes.
    • Until these influences are brought into conscious awareness, individuals remain at the mercy of unseen forces, experiencing life as though dictated by “fate.”
  2. Conscious Integration:

    • By making the unconscious conscious, Jung advocates for a transformation where individuals gain agency over their lives, dissolving the illusion of fate.

AFW and the Conscious Mastery of EPs

BEINGON’s AFW framework seeks to actualize contra-causal control, choice, and creation over all Experiential Perceptions (EPs), acknowledging that:

  • EPs are the properties of existence itself—not just modifiers of experience but the essence of existence.
  • All EPs are wholly made up, whether inherited biologically, shaped culturally, or self-created consciously.

AFW’s purpose aligns with Jung’s insight:

  • AFW takes the process of “making the unconscious conscious” to its ultimate level, enabling individuals not only to recognize the forces shaping their EPs but to reconstruct and design those EPs at will, free from prior causes or constraints.

Key Points of Interplay

  1. Jung: Awareness as a Catalyst for Liberation:

    • Jung’s vision stops at conscious awareness as a means to transcend “fate.”
    • BEINGON goes further: once unconscious EPs are consciously understood, they can be re-authored. The individual becomes not just aware of the script but the author of it.
  2. Fate vs. Contra-Causal Autonomy:

    • For Jung, fate is the result of ignorance about unconscious influences.
    • For BEINGON, fate is dissolved through contra-causal autonomy, where EPs are no longer governed by biological or societal programming but are consciously created.
  3. Unconscious as a Reservoir of Potential:

    • Jung views the unconscious as a source of raw potential—dreams, archetypes, and latent energies.
    • AFW builds on this: the unconscious is not only a reservoir but a field of infinite informational potential (akin to the !INFORMATION realm of the !ISO framework​). The task is to consciously sculpt this potential into chosen EPs.

Stress-Testing the Alignment

  • Does AFW Replace the Role of the Unconscious?

    • Jung’s framework thrives on the dynamic interplay between conscious and unconscious elements, suggesting creativity emerges from their interaction.
    • AFW acknowledges this interplay but adds tools (AI, BCI, etc.) to consciously control and refine the unconscious processes.
  • Can AFW Avoid Over-Intellectualizing Experience?

    • AFW’s focus on deliberate creation could risk over-rationalizing human experience. However, it balances this by emphasizing experiential mastery—not the suppression of emotion or intuition but their conscious orchestration.
  • Is AFW’s Vision Too Radical?

    • Jung’s work integrates within the natural ebb and flow of human psychology; AFW disrupts it, introducing technologies that rewire the relationship between consciousness and EPs.
    • This radical shift, while unsettling, aligns with Jung’s idea of individuation—the complete realization of self.

Final Synthesis

Jung’s insight into the unconscious setting the stage for “fate” is a precursor to BEINGON’s AFW philosophy. BEINGON represents the next step:

  • From Awareness to Creation: AFW doesn’t stop at making the unconscious conscious—it enables the deliberate crafting of consciousness itself.
  • From Fate to Freedom: By mastering EPs contra-causally, individuals transcend the very concept of fate, living as architects of their subjective and existential realities.

Thus, Jung’s perspective and BEINGON’s philosophy are not contradictory but complementary—BEINGON builds upon Jung’s foundation, pushing it toward the transformative actualization of freedom and creative autonomy.